Episode 200: You and Your Money

The example that was set for me and probably for so many women is that we don’t need to worry about it. We don’t need to think about money in the same way that men do.
— Sarah Wolfe

Me (l) and kristine beese (R) during our interview, complete with her Broad Experience T-shirt

If you look at women’s magazines, they talk about budgeting...they talk about keeping your money safe. It’s really restrictive when it comes to money. And then when you go to magazines targeting men, it’s about ‘the sky’s the limit!’
— Kristine Beese

Shame, guilt, trauma…these are just some of the words that came up in my conversations for this show on women’s relationship with money. Why IS that relationship so complicated? Two women with quite different money backgrounds, knowledge, and expectations, help me delve into that question.

My first guest, Sarah Wolfe, grew up with little knowledge of how to handle money and a mother who told her she didn’t really have to worry about it. She just needed to find a guy who would. But that advice didn’t work out so well.

Kristine Beese is CEO of Untangle Money, which helps women plan, save, and spend. Her own life experience and years in the financial services industry taught her just how poorly it caters to women. Yet women tend to work less over a lifetime, earn less, and live longer than men - if anyone needs solid monetary advice, it’s us.

This show came about thanks to a social media thread many listeners were part of - thanks to everyone who contributed!

The final episode of The Broad Experience will come out in the new year.

You can also read a transcript of the show.


More resources: Kristine is a fan of Canadian author and financial planner Shannon Lee Simmons, who has two books on handling your money.

She also mentioned British author Annabelle Williams’ book Why Women are Poorer than Men, and What We Can Do About It.

Kristine and I also talked offline about Ellevest, which like Untangle Money is aimed at women. Its founder Sallie Krawcheck has been on this show in the past. Ellevest invests your money, whereas Untangle Money helps you plan for the future.

Episode 185: Women Getting Paid

He said, ‘Let me stop you right there...you never, ever discount yourself, you never let anybody diminish your worth right before your eyes.’
— Adrienne Graham

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Step back and think, how am I feeling about this? What am I dreading them saying to me when I ask for this? What do I think they’re going to point out is a reason why I don’t deserve this salary?
— Natalie Reynolds

In this show we're talking about women getting paid.

Two business owners weigh in on how to charge for your services and how to respond to people who ask if they can 'pick your brain.' We tackle a question from a woman who knows she's paid less than the last man who did her job, but asks if she's happy in her work, how much should she care? And we hear from a negotiation expert on how to use the negative voice in your head - the one that says 'you can't ask for that much!' - to help you get what you want.

This episode distills some findings from past shows. I'm using it as a springboard to more coverage on women and money in 2022. If there’s something you’d like to hear covered, let me know.

You can also read a transcript of the show.

Guests today are Adrienne Graham, Kathy Caprino, Jacquette Timmons and Natalie Reynolds.

Adrienne and Kathy originally featured in episode 52, When Women Work for Free. Jacquette was in episode 81, Money vs. Fulfillment, and Natalie Reynolds was the sole guest in episode 128: You’re Worth It - the Power of Negotiation (part 1).


Further reading: How I Came to Believe I Deserved More by Abby West.

The Luxury of Not Putting Money First by Tanzina Vega.

God, Grant Me the Confidence of a Mediocre White Man by Tracey Lynn Lloyd.

These articles are all from TueNight.com, a great site aimed at GenX women - however, I don’t think there’s much exclusively GenX about these three pieces. Check out the rest of their series on women and money here.